Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyyyywwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyy...
That was not meant to be the point of this post (but I have to keep the name Rambler alive somehow!). The point is that I received a (very close-to-home) comment on the post very recently. It was one of those comments that take your breath away because of how personal and honest it is, and how illuminating it is to the consequences of your actions. In this case, mine. A quick summary to contextualise the comment - I was a youth pastor (in my twenties) at a Methodist Church for just over three years. I loved it (still miss it) and was the time I was fighting myself the most. Being gay and a pastor were apparently incongruous and I was doing everything I could to fight it and change it.
Here's the comment (edited slightly):
Rambler, the world is very small. A friend of a friend of a friend on twitter mentioned you - had a squizz, and wallah. I knew you back in your days at [the Methodist church]. Had I known then, what you were struggling with, I would have tried to listen. I was kind of annoyed really at the time - you constantly denied being gay. I was annoyed, because you were lying [discovered this later]. The lying annoyed me more than anything. I wish I had known of your angst and worry, so I could have helped. People who TRULY believe, and who are TRUE Christians, love ALL...no matter what. A friend recently got ex-communicated from his church, because he was divorced. Yes, while this is not part of the "plan", how is that loving each other as God has loved you? Naah. Loving God with all you have is what is important - he really is the only one that can "judge" - and I believe his judgement is based on your "good person-ness" and your love for Him, not your sexual preference! What some straight people do behind closed doors is FRIGHTENING.....they should be quivering :PThe youth ministry was a large one and the relationships I had with the teenagers (who I was hardly older than) were varied - some I met with often, while others were just part of the Sunday evening meetings (there were about 400 teenagers each Sunday). This comment made me sad because the last thing I wanted to do was lie to any of these guys who I really did love. If I wasn't in ministry I'm not sure about the kind of guy I would have become - I lived for Sundays.
That said, I'm not sure that I did lie. I don't recall denying being gay. I don't recall being asked outright. I remember people telling me that they thought I was gay when they met me and I would usually just smile and say I got that often (while having a full-blown internal panic attack). The reality was that I didn't believe I was gay. I was going through the ex-gay ministry and part of my healing was accepting I wasn't gay but sexually broken and struggling with same-sex attractions. Saying I was gay meant I was living the gay lifestyle, which I was trying my best not to. So I don't think I was lying. I wasn't open about it - being open about it would have meant my job would be at risk (to this day I would be denied should I apply to be a Methodist minister, even though for a long while it was all I wanted to be, because I'm gay) and that people might be afraid to have their teenagers in close proximity to me for fear of me doing something or "converting" them. My openness about my sexuality and struggle with it would have meant that God would have been lost. He was the focus. Sharing my struggle would have meant that that would shift - somethingI would never have wanted.
I apologise to anyone who was hurt by what they perceived as me lying. I wish I could have been more open - believe me. I long for a day where people in the church can be open about their sexuality and their struggles without any judgement - somehow it seems silly to be longing for it when, in essence, it should be what the church is best at.
I recently heard of a friend I studied with who committed suicide. I never knew him well, and only heard later that part of his struggle that led to his death was his struggle with being gay and being in his particular religious context. That broke my heart and is why I write this blog. Not only to stop people who are coming to terms with their sexuality from harming themselves to avoid it, but to stop people hurting those who need to accept something they never chose.
I've said a lot in this (and I want to thank Cazpi for being so honest in her comment). I also want to say that while people were annoyed with me when they heard, I was annoyed by the way it was discovered I was gay by people in the church and they way it spread as gossip does. I understand it - I wish I had been closer to confront it and chat people through it. I would hate to think that people would have left the church thinking I was a hypocrite or had lied to them. I would do it very differently if I had the chance to. Hopefully this blog is a small step in healing the hurt that was caused.
8 comments:
Sorry, perhaps my initial thoughts of being "lied to" were too harsh. I was probably one of those people who mentioned [a few times] that you certainly did "come across as Gay" - ick, how judgemental was I? lol!! I was, very very young when I knew you - but certainly would have accepted anything you wanted to be, or were, cos so many of us loved you - for being Clive. Not for who you liked or didn't like. Hindsight huh?
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It saddens me to know that Gay men are not allowed to guide our youth - look at the angst it caused you. How insanely hypocritical of people. NO-ONE on earth is without "fault" [I use the word fault, as sin is not correct here, but neither is fault, but you know what I mean right?], so how can people ACTUALLY decide what is and what is not allowed? [whole long other post right? haha]
Ps: I lived in PE when I found out about you, and my friend mentioned it once in passing, so I lay NO CLAIM whatsoever to the hearing of rumours etc!! :P I left that particular church for other reasons - long long long after I had heard you had moved to Ct actually. [It's a small town ok? !!]
I do hope that this allows you to see, that while yes, for many years I was upset with you [and incorrectly so], I now see why, and what you sort of went through. I have seen friends go through similar, and the agony it caused them - and "society" needs a wake up call. Again, I have to say, it's the loudest persons making judgements that they are in fact not entitled to. People who really should not take up another second of your time. The people who care for you, and call you friend, are the ones you should concern yourself with. Apologies for dredging up an issue you had long since dealt with - and thank you, as I now have a sort of closure from that small feeling of "huh" too.
wow. this is an eye opening post. ive got quite a bit to say in this regard but i'm going to have to think about it for a bit. lets just say my eyes have been opened to something (a topic) i clearly wanted to avoid.
ALL that said, by the way, apologies, from you, are not necessary. The fact that it annoyed me is, MY issue :P One I have now dealt with, now that I know what was happening! *squidge*
Ah back to ramblerbasics!!!!
Well certainly reading your older posts helped with my struggle - practically everyone important in my life now knows my preferences - and while it in no way defines me - the acceptance that has come with just sitting back and not hiding or faking anything is so liberating - it washes over me and i dont want to resurface.
On the other hand there is still the matter of the folks - but that will happen - soon.....
I dont think you need to apologise for anything - 'hiding' or 'lying' is also part of the coming out process - we struggle so much to fit in - you dont give it all away as soon as you introduce yourself (Like "Hi - Im Gay", As opposed to "Hi - Im Rambler"! Ridiculous!)
In any event whats important is that your life path has led you to be brutally and vulnerably honest not only with yourself but with complete strangers - and its this transparency that gave me a lot of courage to face my own demons.
I wouldnt know how to thank you for that - you brought me back to life.
Cheers ears...
Whenever I read this kind of post on your blog it always makes me think, but above and beyond that I always come away with one overwhelming feeling and that is that I hate, hate, hate that you have to go through this kind of.... (I'm trying hard not to say "shit" here!).... thing, just because of who you are. It's so unfair!
I am always in awe of how gracefully you deal with all of these issues; hats off to you, because if I was in your shoes I'd be one mean and angry, mixed up cow, for sure!
Freedom means choosing your burden...Choose to let it go and it will let go of you..we dont owe anyone anything...waiting for others to accept us and apologise for our actions will mean waiting forever...because they are/were not on your journey and we all act and react differently so no one will ever understand why you did or did not act a ceratin way...you dont need to apologise to anyone... just live for now as the title of your blog says...
I enjoy eating a tub of Ice Cream while watching Lord of the Rings for the thousandth time. Does it matter if you 'care' about it, or whether I tell you or not? What you do or believe in the sanctity of your private life has absolutely nothing to do with anyone. The fact is there are systems (social contracts) like church that require us to obey a set of requirements in order to receive the apparent benefits of being part of that club. You can leave the club and deal with whatever loss that entails (I have to say I don't see it) or you can stay in the club and fight for a change to the rules (revolution). Both are valid actions with consequences. Whatever the choice though, the moralistic self righteous judgements of other mammals should not be a concern. 80 years on Earth is too short to be worrying about offending the delicate superstitions of the sheep.
Clivelette you always give me food for thought, and in this case once again got me pissed off with the church! You know I am a full on, 100% God-fearing Christian. However... I am not blind to our shortcomings. If you ask me, Christians are the most judgmental lot EVER! The reality is that it is better for us to find fault with those around us so that we feel better about ourselves because we have so much "hidden" crap in our own lives. Gay people just make for an "easy" target... You are a rocker and I adore you completely
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