Don't get me wrong. I know she broke the rules by marrying her partner. I know that breaking the rules has consequences. I suppose my sadness is that the response spoke volumes about the Church's tolerance of gays. That's what it is - tolerance.
I have therefore made personal decisions about my way forward and how I will deal with my own personal battle to reconcile being a man in love with a man and someone who wants to be actively involved in the church. Those I'm sure I will share when I feel less angry.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnyyywaaaayyyy...
Getting back to the comment. It was a usual "God hates gays and all of us deviants must kneel before the cross of Christ or spend eternity in hell". What I do find amazing about these comments is that they are left anonymously. If you're going to tell me how to live my life and assume your scriptural right to do so at least leave a name and address where we can continue the dialogue. If you don't want dialogue then please don't post anything here. I have said before and I will say again - you are more than welcome to your opinions on this platform, as am I. Let's just be mature about it.
My response to this kind of comment which is so filled with God's hate is by quoting the words of Wesley - "your god is my devil".
But the following comment really did blow me away and I want more people to read it. It's written by an atheist. And that in itself is astonishing. And it's also written by a man I love very deeply. Here was his response to this person (I have edited it slightly):
I know very many christians who love god. Who are certain that god loves them. They thrive on this love they believe they receive.
They allow themselves to give and receive love in human interactions as a spouse, parent, child, friend, neighbour and sometimes a stranger. They regularly give thanks to god that they can.
They read their scriptures and listen to the sermons of their fellow man, reminding them that god is love. That Jesus died on the cross for all mankind to turn to god and feel his warm embrace and the promise of an eternal happiness, basking in the glow of his love.
They pray, sometimes fervently, to be able to forgive as he taught when they are hurt by others who hate... lest they be on the receiving end of the first stone cast.
I'm sure you never meant to cast any doubt on the love god has for them by your comments.
If I were a man craving to live and love as god taught, I might be in a serious spot of bother. This is because, dear Anonymous, your comment speaks only of hatred. A god who is so angry with his creation, he has no room left for love.
For those touched by god's love and grace, who walk beside the sick, poor and dying, touching lives with his love - where do they find it? Which god is giving them this love? Are they deceived by satan into being good? It is sad to see one so seemingly strong in faith propelled by hate.
What you say makes me wonder about the god you speak of - one so angry he has no place for love. Where there is no place for love, we are left with hate. A hate so deep and overpowering it will ultimately consume and destroy. Is satan's work not to breed hate? Is satan's work not to let pride and prejudice fester in a mans soul and fill him with hate which will most certainly lead to hate for his fellow man? Does that hatred not lead man away from the god he seeks to love?
Why not leave the judging to where it is presumably made, at the foot of gods throne, and get on with being a better person, dealing with real people, living real lives, making real impacts to those around them, with love and compassion.
To all haters of people that are different - through nothing more than a single differentiating feature - ponder what you might say if one day, that which drives your hatred stares you in the face as the face of god and you are left with with no escape from your deep remorse at doing Satan's bidding for hatred. Fear that.
13 comments:
wow. its such a toughie. the internet gives us platform to discuss and debate all these things on our minds. We are all allowed our own opinions and freedome of speech.
Wish people would be more accepting to that too. What i like about your blog is that you dont force your opinion on anyone, it's just such a pity that some commenters will try force theirs onto you. Or just plain down condem your views.
Like my mum always said eh? "If you got nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"
Wozz - I don't mind people not being nice. I just hate the cowardice in doing it anonymously. At least have the balls to allow some dialogue... ya know?
I think people think that discussion around scripture dilutes it. I think they're missing out on the dynamism of it...
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Hmmmm Juanne - think I should charge you for the advertising space... at least say hello :)
Wow. Breathtakingly well put. No wonder you love him so deeply, the boy can write! Those cowardly anonymous commenters should just sod off. I agree that everyone's allowed their opinion, but if you have one, be brave enough to put your face behind it xxx
Hey. I went back and read the Anon comment... eish -thats the 'christian' who gives Christianity a bad name. I'm willing to bet they are probably a new believer, sometimes things are so very black & white then. But I trust that one day, they will truly understand God's love and grace... and be able to extend that same love and grace to others. Lovely response from FJ! Ciao! Lisa. xx
Shiny - totally agree
Lisa - I don't think it's about new or old believers... there was a comment from a reformed Wesleyan minister who called the Methodist church the church of satan for allowing women to preach and tolerating gays in their pews... sad, I think...
Which is why I think I may be bowing out of the fight...
Wow, wow, wow! Brilliant response, absolutely brilliant.
Wow! Really? Grief - I wonder sometimes how they experience God then? BTW: Whats the point of you bowing out? Its the people that are the problem - not God- So seems pretty pointless. But you know my feelings and you know i am pro the journey... :) Ciao. L. x
Im so tired of this. Really I am. I dont know how you do it. Defend your point to the brink of exhaustion.
Im not about to change the world here - and this kind of talk just saddens me. I certainly dont have the fight in me to convince people of whats right and wrong and whats acceptable -
If you think gays are a bunch of deviants - then seriously - just go f**k yourself. No intelligent debate from me today. Seriously - just f**k yourself.
You cant pray away the gay.
Cm from DJHB - I know. It is exhausting. And sometimes it's more exhausting trying not to scream in anger. But fights have to be fought... and victories are won slowly with this kind of thing...
But that all said, I am feeling a bit tired of it. And Lisa, that's why I feel I may bow out... enough of fighting the good fight... time to get silly and fluffy and enjoy life...
time to be gay and fill the blog with feathers... whatcha say?
Oh and CM - I loved that Grey's episode!
It became apparent to me soon after finishing my studies that the God of love I served, the creator of mankind, gave us the ultimatum, love me and serve me with all your heart, mind and soul. It is written that if you love me, turn from your wicked ways and live a normal Christian life, you will inherent the earth and go to heaven (as simple as that). However if you do not love me and serve me as your saviour – you will be doomed to hell. All because I don’t want to love him and or serve him – I never said I hated him. What kind of loving father forces his love on someone, and if that love is not reciprocated, you are damned, condemned to a place of grinding and gnashing of teeth, to the place of eternal suffering - Hell. No, not condemned to die, but to suffer, for eternity, whilst the born again Christians will live in paradise. They will be looking down from heaven on all the sinners (gays etc), made up of Muslims, Buddhists and those Christians, that have not accepted Jesus as their personal saviour (religious Anglicans and Catholics), including the born-again gays screaming in pain for ever and ever. Is this God love, a loving God. I doubt it – we have created a vision of a god that does not uphold basic human rights – one that promotes intolerance and hate – contributing a culture of fundamentalism
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